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1.  The Antidepressants People Love to Hate.

The data are contradictory regarding how effective Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors (SNRIs) are compared with Serotonin-Selective Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs). When it comes to treating neuropathic pain SNRIs generally work a lot better, especially the ones that have more of an effect on norepinephrine. Savella (milnacipran) has a practically equal effect on serotonin and norepinephrine1, while Effexor is essentially an SSRI until you’re taking 187.5–225 mg a day, give or take 37.5 mg. Depression and anxiety are something else. On one hand SSRIs are easier to deal with, on the other SNRIs are far less likely to poop out (tachyphylaxis).


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2.  Dosage Equivalents

As with SSRI equivalents there are numerous factors that keep this from being straight forward, including what you are taking the drug for. My main problem is not being able to find any two studies with NET (norepinephrine transport/reuptake) numbers that aren’t all over the map and make sense when compared with a Tricyclic Antidepressant (TCA) or Norepinephrine-Selective Reuptake Inhibitor (NSRI). So the best I can determine so far is:

75 mg Effexor = 50 mg Pristiq = 20 mg of Cymbalta

Essentially the minimum available dosages of Pristiq and Cymbalta are worth the minimum therapeutic dosage of Effexor. The 1.5:1 ratio of Effexor to Pristiq doesn’t hold up for very long. Savella isn’t included because it is more like a TCA, in that it is primarily a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor that happens to work on serotonin as well, which is one of the reasons why it is approved to treat pain-related conditions like fibromyalgia and not depression.


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1 Little wonder Forest went for the fibromyalgia approval instead of banging their heads against the wall for an increasingly difficult to get depression approval. Plus: there's more money in pain than in the overly-saturated depression market. And they know doctors will write off-label prescriptions for it in any case.


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1 While there are plenty of books to help you with hypochondria, for some reason there’s not much in the way of websites. Then again, staying off of the Internet is a large part of curing/managing the disorder.

2 Remember kids, Microsloth operating systems are like TOS Star Trek movies with in that every other one sucks way, way more. With TOS Star Trek movies you don’t want to bother watching the odd-numbered ones. With Microsloth OS you don’t want to buy and install the even-numbered ones. Anyone who remembers ME and Vista knows what I mean.

3 Have I mentioned how open source operating systems for commercial applications is one of the dumbest ideas in the history of dumb ideas?
[begin rant] I rent a dedicated server for Crazymeds. It’s sitting on a rack somewhere in Southern California along with a bunch of other servers that other people have rented. The hardware is identical, but no two machines have exactly the same operating systems. I don’t even need to see what is on any of the others to know this. If somebody got their server at the exact same time, with the exact same features as I did, I’m confident that there would be noticeable differences in some aspects of the operating systems. So what does this mean? For one thing it means that no two computers in the same office of a single company have the same operating system, and the techs can spend hours figuring out what the fuck the problem could be based on that alone. It also means that application software like IP board that runs the forum here has to have so many fucking user-configurable bells and whistles that even when I read the manual I can’t find every setting, or every location that every flag needs to be set in order for a feature to run the way I want it to run. And in the real world it means you can get an MBA not only with an emphasis on resource planning, but with an emphasis on using SAP - a piece of software so complex there are now college programs on how to use it. You might think, “But don’t people learn how to use Photoshop or Adobe Illustrator in college?” Sure, in order to create stuff. And in a way you’re creating stuff with SAP. But do you get a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree with an emphasis on Photoshop?
Back in the Big Iron Age the operating systems were proprietary, and every computer that took up an entire room with a raised floor and HVAC system, and had less storage and processing power than an iPhone, had the same operating system as every other one, give or take a release level. But when a company bought application software like SAP, they also got the source code, which was usually documented and written in a way to make it easy to modify the hell out of it. Why? Because accounting principles may be the same the world over, and tax laws the same across each country and state, but no two companies have the same format for their reports, invoices, purchase orders and so forth. Standards existed and were universally ignored. If something went wrong it went wrong the same way for everyone, and was easy to track down. People didn’t need to take a college course to learn how to use a piece of software.
I’m not against the open source concept entirely. Back then all the programmers read the same magazines, so we all had the same homebrew utilities. We even had a forerunner of QR Code to scan the longer source code. Software vendors and computer manufacturers sponsored conventions so we could, among other things, swap recipes for such add-ons and utilities. While those things would make our lives easier, they had nothing to do with critical functions of the operating system. Unless badly implemented they would rarely cause key application software to crash and burn. Whereas today, with open source everything, who the hell knows what could be responsible some part of a system failing. [/end rant]

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