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Wellbutrin Index | Brand and Generic Availability
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Brand & Generic Names; Drug Class

US brand name: Wellbutrin
Generic name: bupropion
Drug Class: Antidepressants
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Wellbutrin’s Approved & Off-Label Uses (Indications)

US FDA Approved Treatment(s)

Major depressive disorder. The extended release (XL) flavor is also approved for seasonal affective disorder (SAD)

Popular Off-Label Uses

Weight loss, Bipolar depression, ADD/ADHD, Crohn’s disease, Restless leg syndrome (RLS), Pathological gambling, Treating SSRI/SNRI-induced sexual dysfunction.

Details about Approved & Off-label Uses

Wellbutrin’s Usual Onset of Action (when it starts working)

Usually two-three weeks. Like all antidepressants, especially reuptake inhibitors, you should give it up to a month, maybe six weeks, before giving up, barring any really nasty side effects or you can tell nothing positive is happening at all. Meds that work on dopamine tend to act quickly, so it could start having positive results in a few days.

Likelihood of Working

Pretty freaking good. The side effects or something else may make it suck too much to keep taking it, or there’s too much potential for trouble in the first place, but Wellbutrin is one of those meds that usually work. Sometimes a little too well.

More on Chances of Working for You and Comparisons with Other Drugs

How to Take Wellbutrin

Manufacturer’s Recommendations

Glaxo-Smith Kline (GSK) says this for the Sustained Release (SR) form:

Initial Treatment: The usual adult target dose is 300 mg/day, given as 150 mg twice daily. Dosing should begin at 150 mg/day given as a single daily dose in the morning. If the 150-mg initial dose is adequately tolerated, an increase to the 300-mg/day target dose, given as 150 mg twice daily, may be made as early as day 4 of dosing.
Increasing the Dosage Above 300 mg/day: As with other antidepressants, the full antidepressant effect may not be evident until 4 weeks of treatment or longer. An increase in dosage to the maximum of 400 mg/day, given as 200 mg twice daily, may be considered for patients in whom no clinical improvement is noted after several weeks of treatment at 300 mg/day. --the Wellbutrin PI sheet

The XL form has the same dosages, but with just one dose a day.

Crazymeds’ Suggestions

The only thing I don’t like is raising the dosage after three days. I really think you should wait at least five, preferably seven-eight days (see steady state below) before going up to the next higher dosage.

How to Stop Taking Wellbutrin (discontinue / withdrawal)

Based on its complex pharmacokinetics, your doctor should be recommending that you reduce your dosage by 100–150mg a day (for the more popular SR and XL forms, 75mg for the immediate release form), every 5–7 days (a week is just easiest way to keep track of things) if you need to stop taking it. There have been reports of more than the usual problems that come from stopping any crazy med abruptly, or just too quickly. These include mania (not uncommon when you stop taking antidepressants cold turkey), dystonia (painful muscle contractions & spasms).

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Pros and Cons

Pros

Low chance of sexual side effects, unless you consider making you hornier with or without premature/spontaneous orgasms sexual side effects. None of the weight gain associated with SSRIs & SNRIs. Often a very effective and relatively fast-acting antidepressant, as dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibition are frequently part of, if not the answer for a lot of people.

Cons

Anything used recreationally, so it can be abused and has to be avoided by anyone with an eating disorder or other addictive behaviors. The abuse potential is a serious problem, as Wellbutrin is one of the few modern antidepressants that can kill you if you take too much.

Interesting Stuff your Doctor Probably didn’t Tell You

Bupropion is also the active ingredient in Zyban, a drug used to quit smoking. Depending on your HMO schedule or your health insurance, you may want to get a prescription for Zyban. Why? Sometimes it’s cheaper. While mental health coverage is now supposed to be treated like everything else by health insurance providers, the pervasive anti-crazy bigotry guarantees that won’t be the case. While smokers are treated like second-class citizens, non-crazy smokers are still considered human and don’t get anywhere near as much shit as we do for taking drugs to quit smoking. And some insurance companies have a points system like car insurance. If you get too crazy, your rates go way up, but if you do something positive like try to quit smoking, your rates go down. So check with the person who works in your doctor’s office about the rates and the system, and see if you need to game the system with a prescription for the same drug with a different name and lower maximum dosage.

Best Known for

Right now: Being marketed by Glaxo sales reps, and Dr. Drew, as the “happy, horny, skinny pill.”

In-Depth Pros & Cons

Wellbutrin’s Side Effects

Typical Side Effects

Agitation, anxiety, insomnia, weight loss (it’s undergone trials both as, and part of, a weight loss medication), headache, dry mouth, nausea, constipation, dizziness. Most of these are transitory, but the weight loss, agitation and insomnia tend to stick around.

Uncommon Side Effects

Strange body odor, sweating, nervousness and tremor. Basically it could make you look like the guilty party, so you better have a damn good alibi at all times in case some big, unsolved crime goes down. Also: seizures.

Freaky Rare Side Effects

Change in hair color. They swore Lady Clairol wasn’t involved! There was also new hair, possibly in unusual places. Painful erections, unusual ejaculations, ballism, and outright impotence. You know you’re the butt of one of God’s little jokes if you become impotent or get one or more of the dick-pain side effects and hornier.

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What You Really Need to be Careful About

Seizures, especially if you’ve either had seizures before (thank you Dr. Obvious), an eating disorder, or have recently stopped drinking a shitload of booze every day.

Black box and other warnings, pregnancy category, etc.

Half-Life & Clearance

Bupropion itself: 12–30 hours, each of its metabolites:15–25, 23–43 and 24–50 hours. Clearance: 4–12 days.
Pharmacokinetics Information Overload

Half-life is the average time it takes for you to process half of the drug’s active ingredient. If a drug has a half-life of around 24 hours and you take a dose of 100mg, you’ll have roughly the equivalent a 50mg dose after one day, a 25mg dose after two days, and so on. The rule of thumb is: multiply the half-life by five and you get how long it is for the dose you took to be cleared from your bloodstream, so there’s nothing swimming around to attach itself to your brain and start doing stuff1. That’s called “plasma clearance.” Complete clearance is a complex equation based on a lot of factors which may or may not: be published in the PI sheet, include personal data like your weight, or even completely figured out by corporate and independent researchers. It usually winds up being 2–5 days after plasma clearance no matter what2, but can take weeks. Sometimes a drug will clear from your brain and other organs before it clears from your blood. If we’ve found the complete clearance, or how to calculate it if it requires things like your weight and what your piss looks like, you’ll find that on the pharmacokinetics page.

How bupropion Works

the current best guess at any rate
Based upon the Communications Interference Hypothesis of psychiatric and neurological conditions, bupropion effectively raises the norepinephrine and dopamine levels in your brain by letting your synapses soak in those tasty brain juices for longer than usual by slowing (inhibiting) the mechanism of norepinephrine and dopamine transmission deeper into the neurons (reuptake).

More than You Probably Ever Wanted to Know about How a Drug Works
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Ratings, Reviews, Comments, PI Sheet, and More

Wellbutrin Comments

While Wellbutrin has the potential make you happy, horny, skinny, and quit smoking, it is only consistent at making you not depressed - which probably counts as happy so long as you don’t end up all irritable, anxious, and pissed off3 - and helping you to stop smoking, while being unlikely to make you gain weight or affect your libido. Weight loss and treating sexual dysfunction are off-label uses of Wellbutrin and, like most off-label uses, you only want to try it if the regular treatments don’t work, because the odds aren’t as good or the side effects are worse. Or both.

Really, Dr. Drew… oh, wait, Dr. Drew just took GSK’s money and told everyone the facts as they were known - like it is less likely to cause weight gain or sexual side effects than SSRIs - except for that part about taking a shitload of money from GSK. It was another doctor, who wasn’t as famous, who was repeating what the pharm reps were telling him about the happy, horny, skinny pill. Maybe. If you don’t need it to keep from falling to the floor in a fetal position and sobbing for hours if the newspaper reprinted yesterday’s sudoku. They should have known better than that.

There’s more news. The FDA pulled the approval of Teva/Impax 300 mg Budeprion XL.4 I have more information about that on the Generic Availability page, the Expanded Comments page, and in a topic about this on the Crazy Talk forum.


Extended Comments
As if I didn’t go on long enough already.

Wellbutrin Ratings & Reviews, and Consumer Comments & Experiences

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Full US Prescribing Information / PI Sheet

Allegedly Useful Links. Mostly official sites, PI sheet-equivalents6 from countries other than the US, and reviews from other consumer review sites.

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It’s always a good idea to check for drug-drug interactions yourself. Just because most people in the crazy meds business know about really important interactions (e.g. MAOIs and a lot of stuff, warfarin and everything on the planet) doesn’t mean the person who prescribed your meds told you about them, or the pharmacist has all the meds you take at their fingertips like they’re supposed to. Or they have the time to do their jobs properly when not dealing with complete idiots or playing Angry Farmers on the Faecesbooks.


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Wellbutrin Index | Brand and Generic Availability
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1 Based on Julien's calculations from A Primer of Drug Action, the half-life multiplied by five is the generally accepted estimate of how long it takes a single dose of any given drug to be eliminated from the blood stream/plasma of someone with a normal metabolism. That's also the rough estimate for steady stage if they can't get, or won't provide a number for that.

2 For crazy meds. I have no idea what the average complete clearance is for other types of medications. For all I know there are drugs that utterly vanish from your system in under five passes, and others that won't let go of your squishy bits for years after you stop taking them.

3 Along with other symptoms of a dysphoric mania. Not all manias are happy-happy joy-joy, kids.

4 Technically the FDA asked Teva & Impax to voluntarily remove Budeprion XL from the market, much like the way the IRS assists us in voluntary compliance with tax code. Go ahead, search irs.gov for the phrase "promote voluntary compliance", with or without quotes. I feel so much better about myself knowing I've been volunteering for my country.

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6 These include: Canada's Product Monographs (PM), New Zealand's Medicine Data Sheets (MDS), the EU's European Public Assessment Reports (EPAR), and the Summary of Product Characteristics (SPC) used in Britain, Ireland, and many other places.


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