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- 1. Topamax is US FDA-Approved to Treat:
- 2. Topamax (topiramate) is Approved Elsewhere for:
- 3. Clinically Significant or Otherwise Common Off-Label Uses of Topamax (topiramate):
- 4. When/Why You Should Take Topamax
- 5. When/Why You Should NOT Take Topamax
- 6. Less Common/Experimental Off-Label Uses of Topamax
- 7. Failed Off-Label Uses
- 8. Potentially Dangerous Off-Label Uses
Drugs are officially approved to be used for certain things, and they may be approved for one thing in one country but something else entirely in another.1
Meds are often prescribed for conditions (e.g. Topamax for bipolar disorder), or people (e.g. adolescents being prescribed any SSRI or SNRI except Prozac or Lexapro) they aren’t approved to treat. This is known as off-label prescribing. Some off-label prescribing is so common that lots of people think the medication is a first-line treatment for the condition it’s prescribed to treat (e.g. Trileptal for bipolar disorder). If a drug company’s sales force (a.k.a. pharm reps) is too aggressive in pushing a med for off-label applications where it doesn’t work as well as people think, the FDA will now come down hard on them (e.g. Novartis getting heavily fined for promoting Trileptal as a treatment for bipolar disorder).
Off-label prescribing is not necessarily bad. Drugs that almost, or would almost, pass a clinical trial still work for a lot of people.
1. Topamax is US FDA-Approved to Treat:
Migraine2: Monotherapy (used by itself) for adults to prevent (prophylaxis) migraine headaches.
Epilepsy:
- As the first med used by itself (initial monotherapy) for people 2 years old and older with partial onset seizures or primary generalized tonic-clonic seizures.
- But if you were started on another med and want to convert to Topamax, you can’t just stop taking one and start the other. Oh no. Of course not. First you’ll need to use it…
- As an add-on (adjunctive therapy) for people 2 years old and older with partial onset seizures or primary generalized tonic-clonic seizures.
- As an add-on for kids 2 years old and older with Lennox-Gastaut syndrome (LGS).
2. Topamax (topiramate) is Approved Elsewhere for:
3. Clinically Significant or Otherwise Common Off-Label Uses of Topamax (topiramate):
- Bipolar disorder
- although it works best with specific types of bipolar disorder such as rapid cycling
- or if you have a comorbid substance abuse problem, bulimia, or PTSD.
- Otherwise you should also be taking something else.
- Eating disorders - especially sleep eating. While more effective than Zoloft, the side effects suck more.
- Alcoholism. Johnson&Johnson might be going for FDA approval on this one.
- They’ve been doing the randomized clinical trials.
- They’re pushing how Topamax works to control physical health.
- Read the trials below on diabetes & obesity for more on how well Topamax works for glycemic and lipid control.
- There are some phase III trials listed at clinicaltrials.gov, but they are all in Thailand I can’t tell if those are J&J’s or not.
- PTSD.
- Weight loss - especially for weight gain caused by other crazy meds.
- West Syndrome.
See the page on Topamax’s efficacy for details on the likelihood Topamax will work for approved indications and off-label uses.
Just because a medication is approved or commonly prescribed for a particular condition doesn’t necessarily mean you should be taking it for that condition. There could be a drug that might be better to try first, or at least talk to your doctor about trying first, such as Topamax instead of Depakote as a daily med to prevent migraines (and Topamax has its own reasons why you should and should not take it). Or the condition you have isn’t bad enough to warrant medication at all. E.g. any antidepressant if you’re not so depressed that you can function at relatively the same level as you do when you’re not depressed.
4. When/Why You Should Take Topamax
- You have frequent migraines and/or seizures of the type your neurologist thinks would respond well to Topamax.
- You’ve never taken a medication to treat epilepsy before.
- Really. Topamax works best when it’s the first med you’ve taken. Hence the complicated approval.
5. When/Why You Should NOT Take Topamax
You’re bipolar and you don’t want to take any other med because you’re afraid you’ll gain weight.
When all else fails and you’ve run out of other options, Topamax may be your last best chance at treating an obscure or treatment-resistant condition.
Be careful! Otherwise safe meds can be downright dangerous when used for some things.
6. Less Common/Experimental Off-Label Uses of Topamax
- Pathological gambling
- Dravet syndrome
- Cerebellar ataxia and tremor in multiple sclerosis
- Hypokalemic periodic paralysis
- Exploding head syndrome: the sleep disorder.
7. Failed Off-Label Uses
- Monotherapy (using only Topamax) for bipolar disorder, at least as far as classic bipolar 1 is concerned.
- Obesity
- Obesity with diabetes
- Preventing a scanner from causing your head to explode. One of David Cronenberg’s scanners, not a medical or security device3.
8. Potentially Dangerous Off-Label Uses
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1 Before Cymbalta (duloxetine) was approved as an antidepressant in the US it was already approved in the EU, but only for stress urinary incontinence and sold under the trade name Yentreve. Duloxetine is now sold in the EU as an antidepressant under the trade name Cymbalta.
A better known, if slightly different example is bupropion. According to the 2007 edition of Mosby's Drug Consult, in the US, Canada and Singapore you can get both Wellbutrin (bupropion) as an antidepressant or as Zyban (bupropion) to stop smoking. In Korea, Thailand and most of South America (but not Brazil) you can get bupropion (under various trade names) only as an antidepressant. In Brazil, the EU & UK, Israel, India, Australia and New Zealand it's only available as Zyban to help you stop smoking.
2 Johnson & Johnson / Ortho-McNeil-Janssen Pharmaceuticals consider migraine prophylaxis to be the primary indication for Topamax.
3 Although these days airport security is probably enough to make anyone's head explode. In any event, that's a somewhat graphic video. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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I’m not against the open source concept entirely. Back then all the programmers read the same magazines, so we all had the same homebrew utilities. We even had the forerunner to QR Code to scan the longer source code. Software vendors and computer manufacturers sponsored conventions so we could, among other things, swap recipes for such add-ons and utilities. While those things would make our lives easier, they had nothing to do with critical functions of the operating system. Unless badly implemented they would rarely cause key application software to crash and burn. Whereas today, with open source everything, who the hell knows what could be responsible some part of a system failing. [/end rant]




