approved indications and clinically-significant off-label uses, as well as experimental and failed applications
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Psychopharmacological Need for Approval
Drugs are officially approved to be used for certain things, and they may be approved for one thing in one country but something else entirely in another.1
Meds are often prescribed for conditions (e.g. Topamax for bipolar disorder), or people (e.g. adolescents being prescribed any SSRI or SNRI except Prozac or Lexapro) they aren’t approved to treat. This is known as off-label prescribing. Some off-label prescribing is so common that lots of people think the medication is a first-line treatment for the condition it’s prescribed to treat (e.g. Trileptal for bipolar disorder). If a drug company’s sales force (a.k.a. pharm reps) is too aggressive in pushing a med for off-label applications where it doesn’t work as well as people think, the FDA will now come down hard on them (e.g. Novartis getting heavily fined for promoting Trileptal as a treatment for bipolar disorder).
Off-label prescribing is not necessarily bad. Drugs that almost, or would almost, pass a clinical trial for some indication still work for a lot of people. As long as the reason for not clearing the hurdles of phase III clinical trials wasn’t the death of too many participants, or some other intolerable side effect.
Seroquel is US FDA-Approved to Treat:
Immediate-release Seroquel was originally approved in September 1997 to treat schizophrenia in adults. Since then its approvals have been expanded to include:
- Treatment of schizophrenia in adolescents aged 13 to 17.
- Acute depressive episodes in bipolar disorder.
- Acute manic episodes in bipolar I disorder, as either monotherapy or adjunct therapy to lithium or divalproex, in adults as well as children and adolescents aged 10 to 17.
- Maintenance treatment of bipolar I disorder as an adjunct to lithium or divalproex.
- Acute depressive episodes in bipolar disorder
- Acute manic or mixed episodes in bipolar I disorder, as either monotherapy or adjunct therapy to lithium or divalproex.
- Maintenance treatment of bipolar I disorder as an adjunct to lithium or divalproex.
- Bonus approval: adjunctive therapy to antidepressants in major depressive disorder.
Seroquel (quetiapine) is Approved Elsewhere for:
Clinically Significant or Otherwise Common Off-Label Uses of Seroquel (quetiapine)
- Although it didn’t beat the placebo in this small study. Either Seroquel really works for you or does nothing.
- Then again, Seroquel seems to work best for sleep if you’re crazy.
- Like when combined with other meds to treat bipolar or unipolar depression.
- Or treatment-resistant depression.
- Or when used by itself to treat bipolar depression.
- Seroquel works great in Hungarian to prevent suicide in insomnia-exacerbated depression. Or you can read the abstract in English.
- Seroquel helps people with dementia sleep. Like all APs it must be used carefully given to someone with dementia.
- Seroquel and SSRIs are effective for the insomnia that accompanies schizophrenia in women with comorbid alcoholism, personality disorders, and a history of attempted homicide. Oh-kayyyy.
- Most of these studies support something we’ve known here at Crazymeds since forever (i.e. 2004): that Seroquel is best for sleep at a dosage of 25–100mg a night.
- Even at a low dosage expect minor weight gain
- AstraZeneca was going for full-on, FDA approval for Seroquel XR to treat generalized anxiety disorder (GAD) and as monotherapy (used by itself) for major depression/depressive disorder (MDD). The FDA thinks Seroquel XR is effective in treating both, but the side effects suck too much when compared with what is already on the market. So Seroquel does work for GAD. Here are some of the data from the clinical trials:
- It can work in a week.
- It can keep you anxiety-free for a year.
- It works great as monotherapy for the combination of GAD and bipolar depression. One pill once a day for two conditions. That makes everyone’s lives easier.
- Seroquel vs. Paxil for GAD: Seroquel works better and faster than Paxil. You can take Seroquel and be fat, horny, lazy, and maybe shaky, or take Paxil and wait for it to work, and never want or be able to have sex.
- You can tell AstraZeneca was concerned about weight gain and associated conditions like diabetes. The giveaway: “with tolerability results consistent with the known profile of quetiapine.”
- Monotherapy for MDD - if antidepressants don’t do it for you, even if combined with other APs I can understand giving Seroquel a go. Unlike GAD, I agree with the FDA, who unanimously voted that the side effects don’t justify using Seroquel as monotherapy for depression.
Just because a medication is approved or commonly prescribed for a particular condition doesn’t necessarily mean you should be taking it for that condition. There could be a drug that might be better to try first, or at least talk to your doctor about trying first, such as Topamax instead of Depakote as a daily med to prevent migraines (and Topamax has its own reasons why you should and should not take it). Or the condition you have isn’t bad enough to warrant medication at all. E.g. any antidepressant if you’re not so depressed that you can function at relatively the same level as you do when you’re not depressed.
When/Why You Should Take Seroquel (quetiapine)
- You’re depressed as hell and can’t sleep. So if you’re going to gain weight no matter what, because lack of sleep can lead to obesity and even diabetes 2, you may as well take Seroquel.
- You have GAD and SSRIs don’t do squat for you. Screw the FDA, you know which sucks less, and gaining 5–20 pounds sucks a lot less than GAD.
- Especially if you’re so severely depressed and anxious that either one would prevent you from leaving the house.
When/Why You Should NOT Take Seroquel (quetiapine)
- Sleep isn’t a problem for you and you gained five pounds as soon as your doctor gave you a prescription for Zyprexa.
- Anxiety? What anxiety? You can sleep and you’re not anxious,
- Or you’re bipolar goddammit and you need something to deal with that right now!
- Which part of “right now!” is so difficult for your doctor to understand?
- While 4–7 days to work is fast for anxiety and depression, that’s forever for mania and schizophrenia, and that’s how long it also takes Seroquel to do anything except knock you out at night.
- You might have sleep apnea (see below).
When all else fails and you’ve run out of other options, Seroquel may be your last best chance at treating an obscure or treatment-resistant condition.
Less Common/Experimental Off-Label Uses of Seroquel
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Be careful! Some off-label uses have been total fails, and otherwise safe meds can be downright dangerous when used for some things.
You probably want to avoid using Seroquel for the following:
Failed Off-Label Uses
Potentially Dangerous Off-Label Uses
Seroquel for sleep apnea. This is actually a case report of two people with sleep apnea, one of whom wasn’t aware of it, were taking Seroquel for something else, and almost died. So it’s not fair to Seroquel to call it a side effect, but is a great warning to never, ever use Seroquel if you have sleep apnea or it is suspected.
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1 Before Cymbalta (duloxetine) was approved as an antidepressant in the US it was already approved in the EU, but only for stress urinary incontinence and sold under the trade name Yentreve. Duloxetine is now sold in the EU as an antidepressant under the trade name Cymbalta.
A better known, if slightly different example is bupropion. According to the 2007 edition of Mosby's Drug Consult, and my highly-skilled Google-fu, in the US, Canada and Singapore you can get both Wellbutrin (bupropion) as an antidepressant or as Zyban (bupropion) to stop smoking. In Korea, Thailand and most of South America (but not Brazil) you can get bupropion (under various trade names) only as an antidepressant. In Brazil, the EU & UK, Israel, India, Australia and New Zealand it's only available as Zyban to help you stop smoking.
2 Vanilla as the geek slang for plain. As far as I know, no one makes a vanilla-flavored quetiapine. Although that does seem like a good idea.
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1 While there are plenty of books to help you with hypochondria, for some reason there’s not much in the way of websites. Then again, staying off of the Internet is a large part of curing/managing the disorder.
2 Remember kids, Microsloth operating systems are like TOS Star Trek movies with in that every other one sucks way, way more. With TOS Star Trek movies you don’t want to bother watching the odd-numbered ones. With Microsloth OS you don’t want to buy and install the even-numbered ones. Anyone who remembers ME and Vista knows what I mean.
3 Have I mentioned how open source operating systems for commercial applications is one of the dumbest ideas in the history of dumb ideas?* I don’t even need my big-ass rant any more. Heartbleed has made my case for me. And that’s just the one that got all the media attention. The very nature of an open source operating system makes security as much of an illusion of anonymity. Before you flip out too much: the domain Crazymeds is hosted on uses a version of SSL that is not affected by the Heartbleed bug. That’s one of the many reasons why I pay a lot of money and keep this site on Lunarpages.
* Yes, I know I’m using open source browsers. I also test the site using the now-defunct IE and Safari browsers. Their popularity - and superiority - killed IE and Safari, so that’s why I rely on the open source browsers. It’s like brand vs. generic meds. Sometimes the generic is better than the brand.